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Elliott Wald
Hello. My name is Elliot Wald, addiction specialist. And welcome to another episode of Coming Clean with me. In the studio today is my guest, DJ jumping Jack Frost, legendary acid house and rave deejay, pioneer of jungle and drum and bass, and his early career success. He grappled with the darker side of fame, leading to substance abuse.
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Elliott Wald
And in his memoir, Big Bad and Heavy, published in 2017, Nigel bravely opened up about his battles with anxiety, depression and drugs. Nigel, thank you for coming here today.
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Jumping Jack Frost
My pleasure having me, sir.
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Elliott Wald
My pleasure. Let’s just dive straight in, tell me, tell me what it was like growing up in Brixton and. And how the music industry saved you.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Well, I grew up in a in a very, very tough environment. And, I mean, like, there was, like, gangs, police harassment, loads of, like, role models that weren’t really good role models and all I knew was what I saw. As I say, you were products of your environment, right? So what I saw was gangs, fighting a lot of violence.
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Jumping Jack Frost
And, and just bad situations, which I then followed. Do you not make into any. Yeah. So is like is is quite difficult to, to to do anything other than what I thought, you know.
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Elliott Wald
How did you first get introduced to drugs?
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Jumping Jack Frost
just, I smoked marijuana ever since I was very, very young. Did you not mean. Yeah. Funny enough, I never took a class drugs until I was in my 30s.
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Elliott Wald
How did that come about?
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Jumping Jack Frost
I just like being around girls, poppy. Like party. I was on top of the world deejaying all over the world. Just, you know, now, in the garden of his house. Some of. I have a line here.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah. So it starts.
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Jumping Jack Frost
And, you know, next thing you know, you’re, you know, you’re buying a half a gram, you’re buying a gram and then escalate. Do you ever mean. Yeah. And then, you know, 20 years later.
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Elliott Wald
It all seems fun at the beginning, doesn’t it? Yeah. And it’s funny because you don’t realize until it’s got you that you were in it. how long ago did you get clean?
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Jumping Jack Frost
I’ve been. I’ve I’ve been clean for a year and a half. Nice year and a half. I don’t drink.
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Elliott Wald
Anything. No alcohol?
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Jumping Jack Frost
No, because alcohol is a trigger for you. For me? Yeah. Yeah. Because I don’t like. I don’t like drinking. I don’t like the taste of alcohol. I just find it. I don’t see the point of it. But if I, if I, if I have a lion. Yeah, I’ll have a drink. And if I have a drink, I’ll think about making that call, you know, I mean, for two drinks.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah.
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Jumping Jack Frost
I think ultimately, you know, I mean.
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Elliott Wald
I it’s funny, I always.
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Jumping Jack Frost
I just thought I dropped it all out so that way, you know, I mean.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah, I think there are two different types of people. I think there are people who can drink in moderation, like one, two drinks, three max in certain people. And there are people where it’s certainly a gateway. Yeah. for you, it’s a gateway.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Gateway? Straight away. Right? Yeah. Because I don’t like for me, if I have a glass of wine, it will take me. How? Evening to drink that glass of wine. It’s horrible. I’m just like, But if I have a thing, boom. Because it’s all over me. Yeah. then then I know when. Of course, the wine. No more.
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Jumping Jack Frost
I want off a bottle of brandy.
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Elliott Wald
Young, maybe. Yeah, but of course. Yeah, yeah, I see that.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Yeah, that’s the one.
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Elliott Wald
So, at your height, you know, how did it escalate? How much are we using? How often?
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Jumping Jack Frost
Well, listen, first of all, I was I was taking cocaine and I was smoking crack cocaine. I wasn’t, I wasn’t piping, I was just smoking fucking joints and having one rock per spliff, which is fucking insane.
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Elliott Wald
You were putting a rock into the spliff. Yeah. Because I remember back in the days, in the very, very early days when when the very early days when I was using Coke for me personally, like maybe at the end of the night, a little spliff with Coke in to like, chill down a little bit. Yeah, yeah, but but you’re talking about proper cracking it.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Yeah. I’m sorry. I’ve rock in a rock. Like a whole rock in a joint and smoking it. And what I’m doing, I’m rolling three at a time so I could smoke, smoking one and another one. I didn’t have one. It’s just fucking. What the fuck do you not mean? You know? And then I went to rehab. Jumped the fucking crack out.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah.
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Jumping Jack Frost
That’s that. Just start thinking. And then a few eyes, all right? I don’t have crack no more. I never sniff, really? Start.
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Elliott Wald
Did you? So you stop cracking you. But you still sniffing?
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Jumping Jack Frost
Yeah, because at the time, I was more doing crack. I wasn’t really sniffing, so I switched the crack for the sniff. Okay, do you not. I mean.
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Elliott Wald
And at that point, how often where you using sniff.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Oh yeah. Weekends.
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Elliott Wald
So. So you were a Friday and Saturday.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Yeah. That’s it. Were you.
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Elliott Wald
Were you deejaying at the same time. Yeah.
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Jumping Jack Frost
And I was fucking appalling. I mean I was all over the place really. Yeah. I mean not turning up for gigs you started. Did you just figure. Oh, fuck it, you know, I mean, horrible, like this.
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Elliott Wald
And. Yeah. And yet it’s so accepted in the music industry, isn’t it?
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Jumping Jack Frost
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It’s just like now because I’m such a perfectionist and I’m such, I’m so I’m my own worst critic, and I think so myself. I can’t believe some of the choices I made when I was fucking up, when I, when I was on the that some of the people that I talk to, some of the like, do you not mean that I do things that just like like like get on it and start messaging girls and like girls that you wouldn’t even fucking look at, you know, mean all the time.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Yeah. You wouldn’t even look at these girls. But you fucking messaging girls. All right. Babe, what the fuck?
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Elliott Wald
How did you feel the next morning when you wake up?
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Jumping Jack Frost
My what? How do I feel when I got fucking call out? I mean, like, a few times.
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Elliott Wald
Yes.
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Jumping Jack Frost
And you feel like, what the fuck am I doing?
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Elliott Wald
So you misses in the bed with you and your message in that.
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Jumping Jack Frost
What the fuck do you know? I mean, these are the kind of things I’ve done. Me.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah, I think I think.
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Jumping Jack Frost
That over and over again. I mean, look, just once, over and over again. Yeah. Can you really and really sometimes you got no intention to do fuck you. But it’s just that fucking that devil that, that, that thing, it makes you, tells you to do something that you’re not, you know? I mean, because I look now and I think some of these people that I see, see now, I know you’re right.
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Jumping Jack Frost
And if think fuck, you know, I was really I if you I was really talking to you like that. Yeah. I would never in a million years. Yeah. But look at. Yeah. Do you know, I mean look what you’re doing. Do you know what I mean?
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Elliott Wald
A version.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Yeah. And you look back now because I’ve, I’ve had to go I’ve had to have therapy everything mate to, to sort me right out, get myself back to how I was. And you look back and you think, fuck me, mate. What a fucking. Yeah. I mean.
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Elliott Wald
I’ll tell you a funny story. I told this to different on his podcast. this wasn’t me. Honestly, it really wasn’t me. But a friend of mine, right. Who we used to. Yeah. No, no, in all honesty, it was a friend. you’re right. Right. And, I shouldn’t say that because people who know me will know.
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Elliott Wald
Anyway. Sorry, mate. so under.
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Jumping Jack Frost
The bus.
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Elliott Wald
4:00 in the morning, right? You know, when you’ve been on and you’re doing all that messaging. So he says to me, he says to me one night with session and I says, what’s the worst thing you’ve ever fucking done? He said, oh, I messaged my mum’s best friend at four in the morning, all of these things. And the next day I’m thinking, that’s my mum’s best friend.
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Elliott Wald
Fuck me. You done that.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Knock? No, mate, I listen, I’ve done it. Just think. But I can, I could actually like, I could put myself in that position because when you pass in everything’s good right there. Well great. I did it again. Then it. And you felt whatever the fuck about it. I’ve done it multiple times. Not just once. I never learned from that mistake.
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Jumping Jack Frost
You do it again and again and do it again.
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Elliott Wald
Because you.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Do. And it’s. Oh, anything. Oh, soon as you. Soon as you have a fucking whistle boom straight away and starts going in that mode.
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Elliott Wald
Most people are in Viva Street by then.
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Jumping Jack Frost
My I can’t believe in it, mate. Now I look back, I’m like, dude, I did really, really, do you know what I mean? And you know what the funny thing about it? I just had enough of it. One day I just thought, I’ve had enough of this shit. I never forget. I’m still like that. I was for to go and rehab again or something.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Okay. But one day I just thought, fuck this shit. I mean, we go, went. This went what? Come for? My friends died. Yeah. Not as for. You know what? Fuck this. never look back, mate. Never look back.
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Elliott Wald
Fantastic.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Never look back. I, I got enough respect for that little devil to know never to underestimate you, brother, do you not? I mean.
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Elliott Wald
Definitely.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Keep the fuck away from me with that shit.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah, you’re right, you’re right, you’re right. what happens to the people? I call it your tribe. That tribe of people that you might have used with. Socialize with Dungog.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Everyone’s got to go. Everyone’s got to go. Everyone’s got to go. Do you know what I mean? Unless you’re in that same path of me, I’ve got a job. You out. I’m sorry. You got to go. Yeah. Otherwise, you know.
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Elliott Wald
But for you, I’m just thinking now, for you, it must have been like, for some people, they can not go to the pub, not go to a bar, not be in that environment. They can choose to do that. But this is your living.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Yeah, but you know the thing about it and often I, I’ve to be honest, if you I was one of the last people to leave the party anyway a lot of the have a lot of all fucking grown up and I was one of the last ones, so there wasn’t many people left for me. I was sent me.
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Elliott Wald
Out anyway.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Anyway. I mean, everyone else in fact, often and and grown up. And I was the last one still fucking being a mug, making myself off.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah. I think, I read a lot of research do with addictions all the time. Obviously, it’s my profession. And I was reading psych, a few months back about impulsivity. Yeah. So what they’re saying now is people who are more impulsive are more likely to have a tendency to have an addiction. Would you say you’re impulsive?
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Jumping Jack Frost
Very impulsive. I’ve, Mate, I’ll tell you something. I will not change that about myself, though, because I think it’s. I think that that’s how I get a lot of my my, I, a lot of my ideas just very. I can think of something in the middle of the night. Boom. And I’m gonna do it does not mean.
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Jumping Jack Frost
But now the impulsive things are productive. Whereas before they could have been counterproductive and been detrimental, or a decision that you just wanted to do that. Now my impulsiveness is more productive. So I mean.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah that’s good. Yeah.
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Jumping Jack Frost
So whereas before my impulsive fucking nature will get me back in trouble, mate, I’ll be back in trouble. Yeah, I will fuck it. but the amount of things I’ve done.
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Elliott Wald
Come on, share something with the viewers and listeners. What’s one of the worst things you’ve done off your tits?
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Jumping Jack Frost
Well, I tell you what I’ve done. It fucking went before. I was one of the first deejays to ever play in Dubai.
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Elliott Wald
Okay?
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Jumping Jack Frost
This is before I knew you could get banged up before for a fucking grain of anything of fucking, I’m snorting in the fucking airport wearing a long Gucci black Mac. And I’ve got a blond, a six foot girl with me. Snow. And we’re both having a two in a toilet. Go to the guts to getting a plane to Dubai, snorting all the way there, stuffing Qatar, snorting in the fucking toilet in the airport in Qatar.
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Jumping Jack Frost
It’s getting a connecting flight to Dubai, snorting all the way there somehow. Walk through customs, snorting in the fucking in a hotel, smoking joints, buzzing all the way through. Come back, someone’s going, you know, you can get banged up over there.
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Elliott Wald
That’s hilarious.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Like I said, you do know you could get back that. Oh, they didn’t know, but I’m offering up.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah, yeah. Wow. All the way through because they’re serious out there.
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Jumping Jack Frost
I’m offering that all the way through Elliot Bang.
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Elliott Wald
Did you learn from that though, mate?
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Jumping Jack Frost
I did learn for me.
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Elliott Wald
What? I go back to Dubai.
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Jumping Jack Frost
No, just like fucking now. But I’ve done it again. I went to Canada and done the same thing.
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Elliott Wald
That’s what I’m wondering. So you see, here’s the things.
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Jumping Jack Frost
The pattern of what’s it Canada for? I fucking I can’t fucking go all that fucking way in the flat. I know every line. So a fucking bad about a two grams on the fly. It and like like, Ding Bingbing be okay.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah. Host. This is what’s not doing well.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Things are spilling drinks. oh. Fuck’s sake. Tell me. Yeah, but like. Yeah.
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Elliott Wald
And we and we don’t see that at the time.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Snorted all the fucking way. 2 to 1. Oh. Like getting off like. Oh I got you the customs like that. Yeah. Excuse me sir, you all right? Yeah. what the fuck? Who does things like that? Me. That’s who, you know. I mean, for fuck’s sake.
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Elliott Wald
reading through some of the stuff that my research has asked you, you talk about the anxiety that you had and you suffered with. Can you expand on that for me?
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Jumping Jack Frost
I think it might have. I don’t know if it’s. I don’t know if it’s down to excessive drug use, but I do suffer body anxiety sometimes I have to stop myself from panicking over something that’s not happened yet. Something that is going to that hasn’t even hasn’t. It’s not even going to take place until five weeks time.
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Jumping Jack Frost
I’m getting anxious about already, you know what I mean? Yeah.
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Elliott Wald
when you get that anxiety, I’m just interested. do you get a physical symptom?
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Jumping Jack Frost
Yeah, I get fucking. Describe a, I get sweaty, I get really lightheaded as well. Yeah. And I know sometimes I’ve got to sit down and I can’t breathe. Yeah. Do you know, I mean, it’s fucking.
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Elliott Wald
You know, I’m going to explain this for you because, as a psychologist, you know, let’s explain how that works. So. So what you’re experiencing the symptoms, you’re experience is called fight or flight, which we all know about. Right? So imagine that you and I here together in the studio, and a fucking lying comes in, right. And I say to you, Nigel is a fucking lion in the studio in your elders and lying.
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Elliott Wald
Right. And your heart rate starts to increase and your breathing increases, and you’re fueling your red blood cells to fuel your muscles to do one of two things right. I say to you, Nigel, do you think we can do it? Can we do the line? And you’re like, yeah, let’s do the line. We beat the line up right and off.
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Elliott Wald
The line’s been beaten up. All physical symptoms are fire, fight relaxes, reduces and we’re calm. Right. Or I say to you, Nigel, can we do this line? And you’re like, oh no way, let’s run. And we fucking chip, right? And once we get like a mile away and we’ve, we’ve the lines gone, we calm down. Now that fight or flight response, which is why you’re breathing your respiratory system where your blood vessels, your, your red blood cells are being fueled is to fuel your muscles to either fight or to flee.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah. The problem is with this society. Who the hell are you going to beat up with it yourself? And who are you going to run away from? And that’s why you’re stuck with that anxiety, right? And you’re kind of looking for a way out of it, right?
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Jumping Jack Frost
Oh fuck sake. Constantly, constantly. I’ll fucking I’ll make a scenario up of of is nothing, you know, I mean and it’s like, yeah, it’s fucking real.
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Elliott Wald
Which I know. Do you think that was a, do you think you’re using cause that or do you think you use to try to get away from that.
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Jumping Jack Frost
I got a Danny Bradford yet. I mean.
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Elliott Wald
George.
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Jumping Jack Frost
I literally haven’t got a.
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Elliott Wald
Clue. I’ve lost my head finally. But I could do without.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Yeah, unless you haven’t got a fucking clue. Really? Or I just. I got a clue. You got me mean. I just know.
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Elliott Wald
What with. George. Can you just plug this back in for me? Sorry. Everybody listening? Two seconds. Oh, that would do.
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Jumping Jack Frost
George. And also tell you. How are you so good. Good. Yeah.
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Elliott Wald
I can’t hear a word you said, but he’s plugged in somewhere. I know, I know, plugs here. This one. Okay. So you can. So this is on the fly even when there’s a problem in the studio. Oh, that’s. I can hear you. Okay, so tell me, what were the consequences of your addiction on both your personal and professional level?
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Elliott Wald
How did it.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Impact? Well, on a personal level? On a personal level, I fucking lost so much, man. Girlfriends, money, fucking.
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Elliott Wald
Well, it must be for me.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Oh, fuck. About a minute.
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Elliott Wald
Oh. Hello, darling. How you doing on sick?
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Jumping Jack Frost
Yeah, yeah, I’ve lost like.
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Elliott Wald
Sorry. I’m just don’t coming clean with me podcast. Can you call me back a bit later? I’m fucking knee deep in it right now. And this man is sexy. Go. And how it affects you on a personal level?
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Jumping Jack Frost
Yeah, on a personal level. I fucking lost my girl. Fucking just like, fucked up some of my business. Not turn up for gigs. I got a reputation of someone that can’t be fucking reliable. And, you know, in my business, you know, your your your reputation is everything. If you’re not reliable, you’re fucked too. I mean, yeah, and I’ve, I was people just 14 can’t fucking he’s got, he’s not going to fucking turn up.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Or if he does turn up in my office. Fucking not. And I mean that’s not good you know, I mean so but I was I was wrong about that for many years.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah. Yeah. So let me pick up on what you said. You said I might not turn up. So what environment were you DJ in that you just didn’t turn up.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Mate. Just fucking off like oh I love a couple of nights before I go out, then have a couple of drinks. You figure, fuck it, just get another package.
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Elliott Wald
So people have gone to a club to listen to you. To hear you. Yeah. And you ain’t even.
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Jumping Jack Frost
There no, I vote fuck you out of a couple of lies before this for our fuck. I can’t be honest. It is. Get some more, get man in, and I’m living a fucking two. Yeah, I mean, in the. What the fuck.
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Elliott Wald
Did you did? You’re using, like most people, right. Social to anti-social. Did you just end up using on your own. Yeah.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Yeah I fucking do. Not buying things, planning it all out. Don’t worry. I’ll your. I want you to come and drop the thing off for me. Boom. Just me that’s in there. Then the fucking phone comes out. Didn’t in any.
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Elliott Wald
So you’re looking for an opportunity when you can use and be alone. And then once you’re using and you’re off, you’re not.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Yeah. I keep messaging girls and all that ballocks. for fuck’s sake, she got mean.
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Elliott Wald
Well, what was the point? That. What was the lowest point that you decided I need to do something about my whole drug?
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Jumping Jack Frost
You know what? I just I just think it was just. I was just fed up of. Because you never really when you, after you come off the comedown is the weekend again. And it’s the same thing again. And it’s just you just constantly not being myself, being ready, being argument is not being organized, not being able. It’s just being in the having a cloud of black cloud of me all fucking times, you know?
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Jumping Jack Frost
I mean, I know night look how beautiful life is now. It’s fucking amazing. Do you know I’m saying?
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Elliott Wald
Yeah. No, I get you.
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Jumping Jack Frost
It’s amazing.
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Elliott Wald
I mean, I get that fully.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Life now is like, whoa.
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Elliott Wald
Because the weekend you just kind of 20.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Years I spent fucking fucking around, like, one way or another. 20 fucking years.
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Elliott Wald
It’s a big chunk of life, right?
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Jumping Jack Frost
Big chunk of life.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah.
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Jumping Jack Frost
20 fucking is. God fucking all of that. Well, really? Do you know what I mean? Life’s too good for that shit, bro.
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Elliott Wald
What do you think? What do you think you learned from coming out of addiction? What do you learn about yourself?
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Jumping Jack Frost
I’m a fucking idiot. I’m an idiot. I love fucking hard headed and pop. I’m fucking smart.
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Elliott Wald
Hard headed. Because you didn’t listen to yourself.
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Jumping Jack Frost
I didn’t listen to myself. I mean, I didn’t listen to my girl. That isn’t some my fucking people that love me. Yeah. I mean, so many times. And I’ve just made excuses over and over again for myself. Yeah. You know.
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Elliott Wald
a few questions here that people have put together in your book. You’re quoted as saying, I can’t claim to be a moral citizen throughout my life, but I like to think that I’ll be a better person tomorrow than I am today. What does this reveal about your character?
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Jumping Jack Frost
I don’t know. I’m a I’m a constant work in progress. I think, you.
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Elliott Wald
Know, I.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Think I’m very spiritual now, but, you know, I mean, I do a go away to I do retreats and stuff like that. And I’m very connected to myself. I do meditation and, I very spiritual. I mean, every every morning I wake up, I go in a gym and do a spin class or some kind of exercise from 6:00 in the morning.
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Jumping Jack Frost
And then I do a meditation, and I listen to Joyce Mayer every morning. I listen to Joyce every morning with that fellow, that woman that saved my life. Dude. I mean, I love her, man. I listen to Joyce every morning and then I can start my day off to listen to Joyce. Wow, that’s a good way to start the day for me.
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Elliott Wald
I think that’s fucking awesome. Way to start the day. Because you know what you just said to me? I got some structure in my life earlier. I got some I do every morning I get up for, and then I do some meditation to do so I do my physical side, then I do my mental side and I’m listening to things.
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Elliott Wald
It’s almost like a mantra. Yeah, it’s a fucking great system to use.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Yeah, yeah. It’s, it’s and I have that and I, and I mean is I live by because obviously because I wake up so early to go do my thing by nine, 10:00, I’m fading, I’m the sun, I’m ready to go again. And it’s and it’s a it’s it creates a habit. That’s a good habit. Yeah. Do you know what I’m saying?
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Elliott Wald
It’s. Yeah, I love that. I love that because I’ll tell you something. I always say this. I say as people who have addictive personalities, right? We’re all or nothing mentalities. We like to do everything to an extreme. And that’s what we’ve done when I was working. And I think, why not become addicted to something that’s beneficial? And exactly.
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Elliott Wald
And that’s exactly what you’ve picked up.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Exactly, exactly. I mean, I, I mean, I, yeah. And I’m lucky that I’ve got good friends around me and people that have influenced me, people that we spoke about. Brendan. Brendan. Yeah.
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Elliott Wald
Brendan. So is it just for the listeners? Because, Nigel and I were talking as we came along, the, one of the episodes coming out, we’ll be with Brandon Block and and of course, Nigel the very.
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Jumping Jack Frost
First is that me and Brendan, we first played at sunrise together, and this is like.
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Elliott Wald
Hello goes up.
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Jumping Jack Frost
This is 1988. Like, you know.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah, I wasn’t born. Haha.
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Jumping Jack Frost
so that’s when I first met Brendan at a sunrise party, and we’ve been very good friends. Did you.
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Elliott Wald
Did you, did you used together?
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Jumping Jack Frost
Not funny enough. Really. Ever?
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Elliott Wald
No. Because Brandon was fucking off.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Listen to me. Funny enough, we’ve never used together. Well, ever. Not once ever.
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Elliott Wald
Wow. So you just in the same place, but you didn’t use?
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Jumping Jack Frost
No. Because I think that I went off a dummy drum and bass thing Brendan was in each week. And, you know, by the time we had to see each other for years. And by the time we kind of got back, I think we’re both on the mend. Does that mean. Yeah. What kind of Brendan had kind of healed himself and he’s helping me, giving me advice and, healing?
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Jumping Jack Frost
Yeah. I mean, no, I get that. So it was like a more of a healing thing. Like recently we both went away to a retreat together in Dorset with a few other friends of ours know. I mean, us together. No, no, no, just like, you know, just like a it was a holistic retreat.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah. No, I.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Had a friend of ours. Lisa Nash is a TV presenter. another friend of mine, Doctor Rachel, is a nutritionist. And, and a couple of people do that as an actor, and, I mean, and a few of us just went there and had a nice holistic, reset in, I mean, and it was just a beautiful four days.
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Jumping Jack Frost
I like, do things like that.
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Elliott Wald
Now. You know what, Nigel? If I’d have told you 20 years ago that you’d be at a holistic retreat when you were there, off your off your nut, what would you have thought then?
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Jumping Jack Frost
I said, drop you out and yeah, I just. Yeah, I love that. I just said I’ll come and get him I and done another thing with.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah. So listen, you know you must come across quite a few up and coming young deejays. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Who was still using. Yeah. Did you ever say anything David ask you, do you ever talk to him about you ever. Really.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Because I’ve often. And what I do now are separate myself from any environment where that could be right as much as possible. So I won’t really be in the same. And if I see someone doing it, yeah, I just I know I’m not going to. While you’re doing that, just do it. I’m not going to stop preaching, you know, evangelical.
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Elliott Wald
if you are.
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Jumping Jack Frost
So don’t, if you’re doing your thing, do it. Yeah. You know, if, I mean, if there’s an opportunity where I could say something, it might be late. Oh, do you know, I mean, but while you’re doing your thing, you just get on with it, crack on in it. Maybe later on I might see you and say something like, you know, what?
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Jumping Jack Frost
Did I do that today? But at the time, you know, it’s not nice.
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Elliott Wald
Now, I agree with you. Yeah. You’re right. You know what? You actually are very right. Because they’re not going to be reciprocating what you’re telling them at that moment.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Time for coffee to go. That will have a toll on her voice.
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Elliott Wald
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. you became an advocate of Mensa for mental health awareness. Yeah, yeah. You giving lots of talks about it? health, mental health in the music industry. What would you say to individuals who are struggling with, addiction? Firstly.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Listen, addiction is an illness. Yeah, it’s an illness first and foremost. You know, talk to people, reach out to someone. You know, sometimes just that one phone call to someone could save your life. And I mean, and, It’s never too late to turn your life around. Never too late to turn your life around. And, you know, everyone’s got their.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Everyone’s got their low point. You have sometimes you have to hit that low point before you go get help or admit that you they need help. So I just hope that, you know, people don’t let that low point be in, I mean, fatal or fatal to other people. And I mean, there’s a lot of help out there now.
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Jumping Jack Frost
And if, you know, if you’re a young DJ and you’re listening to this and you see me, you can come to me and you can talk to me, and I’ll be more than willing to to speak to any one of you out there, you know, never feel that you can’t approach me to talk about this because, I’m I’m open to talk to anyone.
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Jumping Jack Frost
You can come to me anytime.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah, I think I think that’s a solidarity between people who’ve had an addiction and dealt with the addiction that they’re always open to help people to give a if they don’t want to be. I don’t want to push something on somebody. But if they want to listen, you know, I hear that with Brandon. I hear that with.
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Jumping Jack Frost
pregnant does. Absolutely.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah. He does. I hear that with deejay Pat Wilson. Yeah. You know, I’ve heard that with deejay Matt Ross. I’ve heard I’ve heard that. No, that’s just in the DJ industry. Yeah, but I hear this a lot. And a lot of people I mixed with want to share their experiences with other people. Don’t have to go down that same road.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Yeah, yeah.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah, yeah. just going to go right back to the beginning of this conversation where you said when you were brought up in Brixton and that environment, there is a thing saying nature or nurture. In other words, were you genetically predisposed to have an addiction or was it your environment and the people you around the presented itself for you to end up having addiction?
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Elliott Wald
What do you think that was?
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Jumping Jack Frost
I don’t know, I think it my I don’t know I don’t know, it’s I think it was a bit of both, you know, it might be a bit of both offering that my environment or environment definitely didn’t help me. Yeah. You know, I mean, and especially the, the, the career I was in and what I was exposed to didn’t help either because it’s everywhere, you know.
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Jumping Jack Frost
But, you know, at the end of the day, that’s no excuse because I spent many of my earlier years in the business say no. I’d say no fucking way. Look, just now.
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Elliott Wald
What was.
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Jumping Jack Frost
That? So I don’t know what the fuck happened, because as I got older. Yeah, well let’s get why is our attendance socially kind of, I mean, you must be wiser when you get older. Not set. It’s your mug, as happened, because when I was younger, 19, 20, 21, when I was really making my way, I was like, no way.
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Jumping Jack Frost
And that’s what I think. No, no, I’ve got no. Yeah. Fucking 35 years old.
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Elliott Wald
Is that when you started something.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Like that.
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Elliott Wald
You started 35 thou? Well, you’re late to the party.
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Jumping Jack Frost
I was late to the party, man. Well, fucking I forgot all the cake. Why? They like. Can we give you a let’s fucking catch up? Yeah, yeah. I was fucking late, man. I don’t know what the fuck happened, you know. Are you the fool? The other past that stage? Yeah, but I didn’t I was, I fucking waited till I got late and then I now did.
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Jumping Jack Frost
I fucking tried to play catch up.
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Elliott Wald
Do you think. I mean I mean you’ve had a fabulous career, but do you think that there have been times that using has fucked your career? I don’t know, I’m not know where you are here, but it may you may have had to go a diverted route to get to where you.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Really? Definitely. Because I fucking hosted. I was my own worst enemy. I was stopping myself, I blocking my own blessings by my behavior. Yeah. And by a self-destructive behavior. Do you know, it’s almost like try to fucking destroy your own self, your own plans, everything that you work for, you’re out to destroy your own. Everything you work for, you know?
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Jumping Jack Frost
Yeah, yeah. I’m fucking not tell you. Not being unreliable, doing bad work. None of these things are going to help you fucking get more. Work harder.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah, yeah. How much you think you spent in your 20 years of using fuck sake?
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Jumping Jack Frost
God knows.
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Elliott Wald
How to figure it.
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Jumping Jack Frost
All out. Yeah, I’d hate to think.
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Elliott Wald
Come on, tell me.
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Jumping Jack Frost
I don’t know, frightening fucking, I don’t know, I’d hate to think. And I hate to say. Oh, fucking. Oh, that’s frightening.
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Elliott Wald
Come on, put a pound, put a pound sign on it.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Off a million.
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Elliott Wald
Half a million. And now, how much money do you think you’ve lost from gigs or opportunities or things that you didn’t do because of using. How much would you put on that?
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Elliott Wald
Couple hundred grand. So we’re coming close to half a million. 200 grand. 700,000, give or take. Yeah, yeah, it’s a lot of money, right.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Though.
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Elliott Wald
But you know what? You can’t go back and change what you’ve done. But what you’ve done is change the present in the future. Yeah. Yeah.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Definitely.
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Elliott Wald
Yeah. So so going to going to finally, what words of encouragement would you give to someone who’s struggling right now with their addiction?
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Jumping Jack Frost
Listen, if you’re struggling, man, just, you know, tomorrow’s another day. You’re not mean. Tomorrow’s another day. You can you can make it through this, too. I mean, those days are full fucking my duties, man. Do you not mean in, you know, put it this way. Whether you do it or you don’t do it, basically, you still go anyway, you know?
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Jumping Jack Frost
Still going to go. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? So you know what time it is. Money is the right time for you. Get up and do this. Do it for yourself. Do it for your family. Do it for your future.
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Elliott Wald
How did it impact your family?
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Jumping Jack Frost
Fucking devastated. I was letting people down. I mean, making promises I will pull apart. You know, I was lucky because, like, I was never really down and out like.
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Elliott Wald
You would on a park bench.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Nah. So it was always be able to, you know what I mean? Yeah. It was not that fuck, you know, meant to be a mean millionaire. Yeah, meant to be a multi-millionaire and.
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Elliott Wald
not yet.
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Jumping Jack Frost
Not yet.
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Elliott Wald
Listen, Nigel, Jumpin Jack Frost, DJ extraordinaire. Thank you so much for coming. Sharing. it’s been an absolute pleasure to have you. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you. Take care.